5 stinking years for all that heartache,,, you've GOT to be kidding, It's no wonder they get out and do it again! They probably wont serve 2 years. C'Mon Kellogg Let's make an example out of these Thieves !!!!!!!!!!!!
What if it had been the Kellogg Residence ??

actually i know they wont even serve that. I work at the same place as the mother of one of the 5 sentenced to 5 years and I am not sure when they were sentenced but he gets out in another 30 days. Thats all you hear is how happy she is for him to be coming home. So I would make sure your homes are secure, since it seems there is no justice nowadays.

Wonder what the homeowners would get if they beat these idiots within an inch of their lives while they're burglerizing their home????

Does anyone know if they run the prints into the system and see if they match any previous burglaries?

MEOW. You're pre-supposing the fact they dusted for prints in the first place. When I was robbed, I asked them to dust for prints, I was told that it probably wouldn't do any good.

justice.............aint it wonderfull?

They barely even took a police report from me after my car was vandalized and had the wheel stolen. They pretty much laughed at the thought of dusting for prints. They then told me they'd assign a detective to investigate(I asked when, they told me about 7 days from the day I filed). Still no word from them AT ALL and that was over a month ago. And as far as beating them within an inch of their lives, why stop there? Long live the castle doctrine!!!

ms huggies he has to serve 120days. he was the least one they were worried about. he only did central there4 he didnt go into anyones home. at least hes doing his time unlike another just got 3 months and probation. he was one that went n2 judge robs house and all of the other places. u dont know what each did u know hear say. my brother is doing his time unlike others getn probation....!

120 days is not enough. These boys are criminals and should have to serve the full 5 to 10 years. I am not looking forward to any of them getting out and being able to terrorize this community again.

120days and the rest of 5yrs supervised probation is enough. the 3 that did all deserve full term.

Wrenchturner, our home was broken into a few years ago and the police did dust for prints (lots of prints). These burglars were finger printed when they entered the legal system and I was curious as to whether they match prints to unsolved cases in the past.

the guys involved i know all but 2 of them and theyve never been in trouble b4. the other 2 i know they r trouble

If they come into my house, they'll be "holey men"!!!

It might be best not to judge someone without the facts. I have confidence in the judicial system that someone is punished for the act they had in the crime. No one is perfect. Ms huggies if you were in this mothers shoes I'm sure you would feel the same way. You say you work with one of the accused mother's and all she talks about is him coming home, any mother would feel the same way. I think this is any parents worst nightmare but it was something stupid they did and them and their families will have to live with the mistake they made. People are quick to commet not knowing the facts but I'm sure everyone in your families are not purfect either and would ask for a second chance if they were in the same situation.

amen sporty3. so blah blah blah i know my brother is payn 4 what he did and u dont know him or anythng bout him to judge him. 1 burglary whoopty doo... hes payn 4 it! no 1s perfect...

I am the mother of the boy that was sentenced to 5 years but will hopefully be out in 120 days. He regrets his involvement in the burglary, not because he got caught, but because he knows it was wrong. He is a good kid that got mixed up with some guys that were nothing but trouble and now he is paying for his actions. When he calls me from Prison I can hear the pain in his voice and it breaks my heart every time, I have heard the words, " I am so sorry, Mom that i ever did this will everyone ever forgive me", and "I Love You". My son is not a BAD person, he messed up and deserves a chance once he gets out! I can tell by the responses from others, that they aren't willing to give those second chances, and I for one hope that they never have to go through what i have been going through, but I will NEVER give up on my son! And neither will his family and everyone else that cares about him.
****And this is a comment directed to Huggies 58, you say i work with you, well I'm sorry you feel the way you do, but i am even sorrier that you can't tell me how you have really felt and have to hide behind this website, but i will continue to talk about my son openly and you can continue to be the PHONY that you are!
People make mistakes that they never fess up too, and for these boys involved they will do their time. I really think some of you that talk like they are trash should step back and take a good long look at yourself, because I'm sure you aren't perfect or have someone within your family that has messed up one way or another!

someone really needs to grow up with the negative marks...

So I am just wondering if several of them were sentenced to 5 years, why is one getting out earlier than the other. It is also my understanding they they have been in trouble before even the one getting out soon. I understand they got caught shoplifting and then escalated to burglary. I read where someone said what does it matter it was just a school. Are you kidding. Computers, projectors, expensive equipment was stolen and you think it was not a big deal, just because he didnt get caught breaking into a house. A school is no different, and I am sure you would of felt different if it was your house that was broken into, or if you worked at the school and had to clean up the mess and do the reports because of the break in. They all made a choice and they are all adults. They should all have the same punishmnet and do the same time. A crime is a crime no matter if you think the school being broke into is not a big deal, some of us did. I am not judging and really dont care but do believe they should all serve the same time.

my brother turned himself in. he wasnt running from the police like a few did. he received a 5yr sentence that began on aug 13 and the prosecutor settled with 120days. he was the first on to be sentenced. others are still postponed til nov n dec.

Ok it was their first time....Do you think they would have stopped if they hadn't got caught? Most people do not get caught the first time. Maybe they did but do not sit there and try to make out that someone else made them do it. They made a choice. I had a child that got in trouble too and it was all on her. I taught her right from wrong and she chose to do wrong....she paid the price. No excuses from me that she hung with the wrong crowd. She knew and I knew she was hanging with the wrong crowd. Everytime I would try to make her stay away from them she went right back. So, it was her fault...no one elses. Just like your son.

I believe in second chances for accidents NOT for intentional acts. Breaking into someone's home and stealing is not an accident - it is something that is thought out and a decision was made. Everyone who did this is old enough to know right from wrong (irregardless of whether their parents had poor parenting skills). Put them in jail.

Autysmom,
You should be thankful your son is safe in prison. Had he broken into SOME homes in town, he might not even be alive right now. Have you read or heard about the break-in overnight in Kansas City? Someone broke into a home, and killed the woman who lived there. People are scared and fed up. When your son comes through the door, we have NO IDEA what he's doing or what he wants. Were it MY door, he'd meet a baseball bat across the side of his head. I can guarantee prison is better than the results of THAT. Perhaps you can explain that to your son when he gets out of prison, WAY before his punishment is over.
sde1984....you might talk to your brother, as well.

We, the people, in order to preserve life, liberty and persuit of happiness in our own community, and to ensure the safety of ourselves, our families, and our possessions do hereby declare open season on thieves, crooks and burglers.

You break into my home....and I'll break a 2X4 across your backside. It's your choice.....

Have a happy day!! :-)

I agree with you pops. I understand no one is perfect. But it just starts at stealing, burglary and then what is next?? What about the guns that were taken in these burglaries? What about the idiots they sold them to or do these guys still have them hidden? That is the scary part a person thinking they are a gunslinger and now who is going to get hurt. My neighbor had his place broken into and of course took his plasma tv, and a gun. Kicked his dog in the process.

Look at the people who shot and killed Mr. Norris. He believed in second chances for his emloyee. Look at both their records. They both started with stealing.

Same goes for me, if you enter my house you will meet my gun. I have been a victim of burglary so I will not tolerate it again.

I'm not trying to make excuses for my son, what he & the rest of the boys did was wrong. But I do believe that this mistake doesn't have to condemn them for the rest of their lifes, he is confident that he will NEVER go back! I know we will never be on the same page when it comes to criminals, but this nightmare has changed my opinion that everyone deserves a second chance. My son has never been involved in a violent crime, I'm not saying he is perfect but everyone that knows him, agrees that deep down he is a good person that just messed up, and by the comments made above I hope he never has to deal with people that are around to condemn him instead of having faith that he will be the better person we know he really is!

For his sake, Autysmom, I hope you're right. The next time, he may not be so fortunate....

Pops, I have enough faith for both of us that there won't be a next time!

That's good. By the way....we AREN'T all that far apart...I, too believe in second chances. I've made mistakes, too, in my life. I'm merely pointing out that people tend to want SEVERAL "second chances". The problem is, people are tired of being taken advantage of by career criminals. I hope, with all my heart, your son has learned a valuable lesson....and leads a straight life from here on. My best wishes to him and his new life.

i don't know what missouri law would say if you beat a person breaking into your home. in calif. several years ago my cousin had his home broken into. his pitbull was alone and like to chew this man a new you know what. story short,the man sued, david said it was the best $1500 dollars he ever spent.

the mothers must understand theres more then just property loss when you decide to break into a home. theres also the emotional distrees,cost of replacing items as most pepole like myself carry a $500 ot $1000 deductible. they just have to understand they could have picked the wrong house and had a lot different outcome.

Baby Killers and Child molesters get less time then one on these young boys. The law Stinks.

Maybe if they would have killed a baby you all would let them have another chance at learning. But these boys are not killers, I know one mothers heart is so broken. He son would never and I mean never be a bad boy again. He loves his mom and would never want to see her hurt again..I'm glad you many of you are saints. Never have made a judgement mistake. Way to go all you Saints.. or maybe not.. ummmmmmmm.... how perfect are you really

Many years ago my son also got into trouble being with the wrong crowd. He did his time and I got him out of St Joe. He has not even had a traffic ticket since and is living a good life with a good job but he still lives with the fact he has a felony on his record from when he was 17. And by the way he was the only one of four that paid restitution! I feel for the mothers of these boys as I have been thru it.

Thank you azmaggie, I have talked with several of the other boys mothers and we are all heart broken because of this and we believe that what our boys did will stay with them forever, and that they will all learn from this and move on to a more positive way of life!

First of all, we are not the ones to judge. People can make mistakes, and then they realize that this was something they should never have done. I believe that there are some who will continue to do the same thing over and over again, but then again there are some people who choose to make a difference in their lives. They choose not to follow that path to distruction in their lives, and usually end up being a much better person for it. I myself know several people who have been punished for crimes they did, and they live a different life, have different friends, attend church, but more importantly, they have a relationship with the Lord, who guides their ways. I have a good friend who served time years ago, and I would trust them totally with my home, with NO fears of what could happen. We shouldn't judge another. The bible tells us this:

Hebrews 10:30 For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. And again, "The LORD will judge His people."

We need to show forgiveness towards others who have hurt us also. Again God's word tells us this:

Mark 11:25 " And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses.
Mark 11:26 "But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses."

I love my children. I know that I should love the person, and hate the sin...not that person. If my children do something wrong, and ask for my forgiveness, I tell them they are forgiven, and say let's move on from here. My children know that I love them, and am there for them no matter what.

To the Mom waiting patiently for her son's release...it won't be long. Keep on loving your son, and support him, and enourage him to make good choices in his life from here on out. A mother's love is very important to every child, whether they are young or grown up. You are doing the right thing!

The only second chance that someone robbing my house, will be if I miss with the first shot.

There have been some questions asked in reference to suspects prints being ran in the computer to see if they match other cases. There was a state law passed this year that also collects DNA samples from suspects that are arrested on certain Felony crimes and sent to Highway Patrol for analysis to see if the match any unsolved cases.
There have already been several cases reopened due to DNA matches from Evidence that was collected at the crime scene.
Im also sure that the prints that are collected are also ran for matches, but unlike CSI on TV, it takes longer than 5 min to get results on prints.

Well unfortunately its people like you that we all should be worried about. And when you shoot someone in your house, guess what you will be one of the so called losers that will be in prison!

also as a former corrections officer, i can understand the anger and frustration of the public and victims alike when they see someone such as this case, who broke into anothers home and stole from them.... and RUINED THEIR LIVES ANY WAY YOU LOOK AT IT. The state prisons are very overcrowded and at the point where the judges have to pick and choose who goes down and who gets probation.
The best part about this is, he may only serve 120 days to start, but he will screw up again and get sent back to prison, and it will continue until his 5yrs are done.
Ive seen it a over and over again, everyones a big shot tough guy on the streets.... until he gets sent to prison then he cries for mommy and tells her how sorry he is and he will never do it again.....BOTTOM LINE IS
JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED, EITHER BY THE JUDGE OR BY A CITIZEN WHO DECIDES THEY HAVE HAD ENOUGH AND TAKE JUSTICE INTO THEIR OWN HANDS!!!!

FYI safd, as a FORMER corrections officer you have seen criminals come through the system that in fact come out and are living crime free lifes also, did you forget to say anything about them! My son is very understanding about what he has done and he is a very strong individual and i have NO DOUBT in my mind that he will get out and never go back to the hell hole he is in right now! Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and i for one will Celebrate the day that my son comes home and then again when the judge releases him from his probation!!!!! Until then he will live life to the fullest with or without the support of St Joseph residence!

I agree safd. The guy that broke into my house lived at home with his mother. The police said he had done this before when he was 17 or 18. He was now over 21. He broke into 5 houses!!! All while we were at work. My mother is dead and this guy stole her jewelry from me. I will never get it back. So autysmom you can kind of see where some of the anger is coming from. I had to move...because this guy lived across the street and i never felt safe again in my home.

I was mistaken the guy that broke into my house was 19 at the time. He was juvenile the first time he got caught. it's been a couple years. He was court ordered to pay restitution but he violated his probation and was sent to prison for 120 days. because he was sent to prison, he now doesn't have to pay the restitution unless I take him to court. That's sooo messed up!!!

Autysmom,
I'm not saying that your son doesn't deserve a second chance. I'm just saying that it's a good thing he HAS a second chance. I would also say to you that there's no way to know if your son has adequately learned his lesson. I hope he has, but the proof will take time. He needs to learn how his actions can cause life-changing results. He needs to learn to think before he acts...and he needs to learn how to make better friends. Good luck to both of you. I hope you never have your heart broken like this again....

The scary thing is . . . people are scared. An armed scared person can be a dangerous thing. Last weekend the news had a story about a man who shot his fiance b/c he heard a noise downstairs, got his gun and fired at what he thought was an intruder. He's not being charged, but he has to live with the fact he killed the woman he loved.

Why did he respond that way? B/c criminals are breaking into people's homes at night. If they are killed by the homeowner, they will not be charged but they will still have to live with taking a life. No matter how tough you are or think you are, until you've done it you don't know how it will affect you. Just ask a soldier who has had to do it and did it righteously. It still weighs on your soul.

My experience from having conducted Bible studies in the County jail for over seven years is that there are repeat offenders who take many lessons before straightening out. By then, only self-employment jobs are available ; their many incarcerations brand them as high-risk prospects for would-be employers. Old life-styles are hard to break without spiritual resources.Watergate figure Charles Colson has shown the world the right path to find a better life; the example of Him who said : I am the Way, the Truth and the Life.

Autysmom,
Your comment about me shooting someone in my own home and then going to jail couldn't be further from the truth. If someone enters my home without permission with the intent of commiting a crime(theft, assault, murder, etc) I am well within my rights to defend myself even if that means with lethal force. Look up the Missouri Castle Doctrine. Actually, I'll do it for you. And for the other comment about an armed scared person being a dangerous thing, this is exactly why more people should participate in CCW courses and recieve adequate firearms training. Then they will not be "scared" to use their weapons. The simple truth is, if more people arm themselves, people are going to think twice about what could be on the other side of that door they're coming through. I myself do not condone unnecessary violence, but if someone enters my home with the intent of committing a crime, I can and will shoot to kill.

And Autysmom, here is the link yo uneed to read to see just hwo lucky your son was. http://www.learntocarry.com/docs/CastleDoctrine.html

my brother and autysmoms son did not break into anyones home it was a school along with 7 other boys!

sde1984....
Oh, that makes it SO much better. Hmmmmm...now I just WONDER who pays for EVERYTHING in that school.....Hmmmmm???? Anyone???

sde1984, perhaps you've heard someone say that if it isn't your's, don't touch it without permission? Stealing is stealing, I don't CARE where it's done!! A thief is a thief, even if what they steal is on or from public property. The only difference is that generally, they won't meet Mr. Joe Homeowner in that school.

Bryan, I agree with you. However, I don't intend to use a gun in MY home....I have a couple of great baseball bats. Personally, I don't necessarily want to kill an intruder. I WOULD like to leave them with a lasting impression, however. Perhaps a few broken bones and a concussion would make a thief think twice about stealing again.....

they were all over 18 years old...hardly boys

if they were men they wouldnt have did this crap there4 Yes they are boys!

This is to all the people whom want to sit there and be judge and jury .Get a life ! One day I hope you go through what we have if you already havent . Oh I forgot you are all so perfect. Half of you probably can't spell perfect yet alone be it . What about the three girls that were involved in these burglaries . Did they work out a deal with the cops? Know what I mean !

SMOKEY2,
It has nothing whatsoever to do with being perfect (yep...I can spell!!). It has to do with kids being raised with no integrity, no morals, and no conscience. However, MY point must have escaped you, in my previous posts...and the posts of several others. We ALL make mistakes. Some of them are relatively minor, and others are....well....life-changing. In this particular instance, it's pretty clear what happened, and in several of the cases, I don't NEED a judge and jury....they confessed!! That means, since you OBVIOUSLY have difficulty with comprehension, they SAID THEY DID IT!!
My OTHER point is that many of us are getting REALLY TIRED of the burgleries and break-ins that are going on around town. We, the people, are ready to take matters into our own hands when someone breaks in. I can tell you that it really doesn't MATTER that someone like you tends to want to excuse these low-life thieves. If they get caught in many houses in St. Joe, they may pay a much higher price than prison for their actions. Do I need to be clearer in what I am saying??

Like I said , Get a life ! YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT THESE KIDS ARE LIKE .SOME OF THEM ARE SCUMBAGS AND SOME OF THEM JUST MADE BAD CHOICES . IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY THEY WERE BROUGHT UP . I KNOW FOR A FACT MY SON WAS BROUGHT UP RIGHT . LIKE I SAID HE GOT HOOKED UP WITH SCUMBAGS . SO YOU SET THERE AND KEEP ON TYPING YOUR LITTLE COMMENTS BECAUSE IN THE LONG RUN ALL THIS IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS AND I PERSONALLY COULD CARE LESS WHAT YOU OR ANYBODY LIKE YOU THINK .WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT , YOU DON'T . SO MR. KNOW IT ALL , KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO YOURSELF .

take the all caps off smokey so it dont get deleted please!

sde1984 I'll just retype it. I didn't see the part about the caps . This is for pops . Like I said , Get a life! You know nothing about what these kids are like .Some of them are scumbags and some of them just made bad choices. It doesn't have anything to do with the way they were brought up. I know for a fact my son was brought up right, so who are you to judge him or any of the others .Like i said, he got hooked up with some scumbags, so you set there and keep on typing your little comments because in the long run all this is none of your business and I personally could care less what you or anybody like you think. We have to deal with it , you don't. So Mr. Know It All, keep your comments to yourself . We really don't care what you think .PEACE OUT !

SMOKEY2, Yes we do know something about these "kids" ,1st they steal,2nd they're looking up to these thieves "scumbags" as cool roll models,has something to say about the way they were brought up.
3rd, You making all these excuses and down playing their actions isn't helping "them", you make it sound like they were walking down the sidewalk and tripped and fell into the school, didn't happen that away this wasn't a spur of the moment thing.You claim to know your son well, did you know he was doing this? Did you know he was hanging with this Scum?? This happened almost 7 months ago, it's hard to believe they got caught for their one and only "mistake".

And for this being none of our business ?? Who do you think pays for the items stolen ?? That's right Saint Joseph Tax Payers,so it's pretty much everyone's business..

BTW, we do have to "deal with it" increase in crime always raises insurance rates,always. We have to spend our hard earned $$ to better secure our items and homes.

Have you ever considered how much this cost the county??

How about the peoples who homes were broken into?? They lost time off work "not good no matter the circumstance in this economy" They had to upgrade their home security etc. etc.

"sde1984 October 22, 2009 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

if they were men they wouldnt have did this crap there4 Yes they are boys!"

Yea, we all know men don't steal,ugh.

mrwrench , You know absolutely nothing about any of these kids . The burglaries did happen about 7 months ago , you all want to set examples with this group of kids . What about all the other 200 some odd burglaries that have been commited since then ? I guess we might as well accuse them and blame them for those to , right ? You must be one of the Mr. Perfects ,I've nerer done anything wrong group of phoney's .If I knew my sons every move , Icould predict the end of the world .Do you know what your kids are doing or will be doing in the near future ? If you do ,man you're good .We need to go to the riverboat and do some gambling .

ya watever lmao and we all know men are dbags... RoTf LmAo

Smokey2, I'm sure you read some of the comments above and know that my son was also one of the boys involved in the burglarys. I have to come to believe that no matter what we say on here or to anyone else, they will never understand what our family goes through in a time like this! Our sons screwed up, and yes they hurt people in doing so, they DO understand this, and they deeply regret ever being involved! And yes there were others involved in these crimes that were not charged only questioned and most likely won't be charged! I for one don't know which son is yours but I do know that we all have to stick together and support our sons, otherwise they will just end up on the wrong side again!

smokey can u please email me at s_d_e1984@yahoo.

The first paragraph of this story tells me all I need or want to know.

The setting examples for these "kids" is your Job not ours.

Yes, I do believe there should be further investigation into this.

I'm far from perfect, but even farther from being a member of a burglary ring.

FYI, The 2 leaders of this "ring" are heavy drug users,I would expect these "kids" were exposed to this too.

I wish I could join you on a trip to the riverboat,instead I have to stay home a guard my valuables................

These people are willing to take a terrible chance, there are Vietnam Vets in St. Joe that TOTALLY booby trap ALL of their valuables, there are bamboo spears, Bayonets, crossbows, and who knows what else, laying in wait of a thieving intruder. The fact that spring guns and booby traps are illegal is irrelevant, SO IS BURGLARY, when you knock on a door and no one answers, the best thing you could do for your health, is turn around and GET THE HELL AWAY, your LIFE May depend on it! I Am telling you, People ARE fed up!

If these "boys" are really sorry for what they did. Then when the do serve their 120 days or whatever their sentences are, let's see how sorry they are. Hold an assembly at the schools they stole from and face the students and staff and explain what they did, why they did it, etc. and truly apologize. I think the schools deserve that.

Face the people you stole from.

Restitution is fine but how many really pay that?? We never got paid.

As most of us have stated people make mistakes. But if you don't own up to it, who is to say you are truly sorry.

SMOKEY2,
You're wrong....it IS my business. These "boys" are breaking into schools, people's businesses and homes. That's public, and I, my dear deluded friend, am part of the public. If these "kids" break into the WRONG place, they're going to get more than a jail sentence...they're going to meet Mr. or Mrs. Homeowner, and the business end of a gun or a ball bat.
Your support of family is fine...but to castigate ME because I abhore thieves and burglers and to get angry at ME for advocating people protecting themselves and their families is idiotic and ignorant. YOU get a life....

I'd MUCH rather see SMOKEY2 and others on here who appear to defend these guys make it clear they agree their actions were wrong, and that they deserve whatever punishment comes their way, but that they still love and support their kids. THAT is something I could understand. However, to get mad at those of us who are outraged at the actions of these "boys" indicates you're trying to justify their actions, or, at the very least, dismiss their guilt. It's an indication as to the sort of upbringing these kids may have received in their childhood....situational ethics, etc.

Sorry, but becoming a member of an organized burglary ring, and breaking into schools and people's homes is NOT considered a "bad choice". It makes you a scumbag... period.

I love how these parents are making excuses for their criminal children, saying that they are good kids but they just made bad choices. Well, their "bad choices" are costing a lot of people, a lot of money. Who had to pay to replace my back door when someone kicked it in a few months ago? Perhaps I should send the repair bill to you parents? I mean... why should I have to pay for a "bad choice" that your son made?

You guys can defend your children all you want. The fact is, is that they committed crimes. Pre-meditated crimes. And 120 days in jail isn't enough time to change the mindset of a criminal. Instead of babying your criminal children, and defending them, you should be doing everything you can to make damn sure that your kids don't screw up again.

I think a few of us need to get together and start breaking into your homes so that you can have a sense of how it affects you. I have three small children, do you seriously want me to explain to them that the bad people that tried to break into our house and steal our possessions are really just good people who made bad choices? Give me a freaking break. You parents are idiots just like your children, and if you honestly think that what they did was fine because they ONLY broke into one house or one school, and they were just along for the ride, then maybe you deserve to sit in jail with your son for 4 months and really think about how their actions actually affect the people's lives that they chose to invade.

wedge 47, I invite you and any of these other idiots to break into my house . I guarantee you and anybody like you will be carried out here in a bodybag. Let me see if I can put this simple enough for you and pops to understand ,I'll really try . First of all nobody is sitting here and saying that what our kids did is ok . when I found out my first reaction was to put my foot up his behind .I was'nt even going to bail him out of jail, but then your parental instinct kicks in . Regardless OF what he did , he is still my kid and I'll do what I can for him even if I had to do the time for him . It's called a parents love for his child . This must be something alot of you have a problem understanding . So to put this to the point to where even you can understand it, I don't and never will approve of what he did but I won't leave him to hangout and dry , so you all keep typing in your little comments and I honestly hope one day you all are put in the same situation . OH I forgot , you all are such the perfect parents and have never did any wrong .

POPS , For you to sit their and criticize us about the up bringing of our kids has something to do with what they did is crazy . Like I said ,Get a life ! You don't know me or anything about me . It's people like you that always stick their nose where it don't belong . I'll judge you as you have these boys since you know everything about their up bringing and how big of low lifes all of us parents are .You're a wannabe know it all .

SMOKEY2 October 22, 2009 at 7:02 p.m.

"This is to all the people whom want to sit there and be judge and jury .Get a life ! One day I hope you go through what we have if you already havent."

Well... one day, I hope you have to go through what my family and I have gone through because of the actions of your "good" son. Have you ever had your house broken into, and your personal items rummaged through, and your belongings stolen, and your sense of security destroyed? I had a difficult time getting my kids to sleep in their own bedroom for a week after our break-in because my kids were scared that someone was going to break into our house again while they were asleep.

And trust me, I truly understand the parental instinct to protect my kids. But when my kids do something stupid and get in trouble for it, I have absolutely no sympathy for the punishment that they deservedly get. If it were my kid, I would have left him in jail. It would be a hard decision to make, but I would have made it.

So when you say that you hope we all have to experience what you are going through, we all hope that you have to experience what we are going through. To have crimes committed against you for no reason, that cost you an insurance deductible to fix. Because the crime goes a lot further than just breaking a door, and stealing a TV. Crimes like this really mess with people's lives and sense of well being. Maybe your son needs to realize this feeling... to have his house vandalized, all of his stuff stolen, and the sense of paranoia that sets in afterwards. I'm sorry smokey2, but I do NOT have any sympathy for you and what you're going through, because you have NO sympathy for any of the families that your son's actions affected.

wedge 47,I did'nt say I did'nt have any sympathy for all that have been violated ,I am tired of how everybody knows everything about the up bringing of our kids and how it is partially our fault. We did'nt make their choices and as far as for you to sit their and say you'd leave your kid in jail is easier said than done . What kind of a parent would do that ! I'll stand by my kid , whether it be right or wrong .I definely do'nt approve of the choices he made but I'm also never going to give up on him .

SMOKEY2 said (and I quote): "wedge 47, I invite you and any of these other idiots to break into my house . I guarantee you and anybody like you will be carried out here in a bodybag."

What you said is EXACTLY what the rest of us "other idiots" have been saying. Why is it OK for YOU to have that attitude, but not us? Why is it OK for your son/daughter to break into someone's house, and steal, and then plead that they're "just good ol' boys"....not all that bad, just made a bad choice, but in the same exact post, indicate that anyone breaking into YOUR house would leave in a bodybag?? What a HUGE double standard!! I can't even believe you had enough nerve to post that tripe!!

What a moron!!!

Autysmom at least understand's the depth of her child's crime....and doesn't attempt to justify it in any way. I wish her son the very best, and I HOPE, as I said to her before, that he's truly learned his lesson. I really believe she's going to help him learn it, when he gets home. From what I see from YOUR posts, and the way you tend to "make excuses" for his "bad choices", your son may not learn ANYTHING....except how "momma loves me and doens't think I'm a bad kid" and "everyone who judges me are jerks".

You need a serious, rude awakening...and I hope it's not from you getting a call in the middle of the night because your son was caught in someone's house, and is either in the ER, badly beaten, or in the morgue.

My child got in trouble 20 years ago.. What kind of parent am I to let him sit in jail. A darn good one!! I didn't teach him to steal. He knew and knows right from wrong. He was 18, an honor student and just grad from HS. Two weeks after grad him & 4 of his buddies stole a car!! All good kids w/ good parents! I could have blamed the other kids...dirt bags..poor choices....but when it came down to it...he did it and he knew what he was doing. I stood by my son and he accepted his punishment. I didn't pay for his atty, I didn't pay his restitution, i didn't pay his room & board in jail. He did his time, he got a job and he paid all his fines. My son knows I love him and would do anything for him. I've been on both sides. I also know what it's like to have someone ruin your sense of security.

pops, Did I ever sit here and say I approved of what my kid did ? Speaking of MORON ! Get the .... out of your ears and listen up moron .I keep trying to put this plain and simple to you but with no luck , I wish I COULD SEND YOU A PICTURE , THEN MAYBE YOU'D UNDERSTAND BUT I DOUBT IT .I don't approve of what my kid or any of the other kids did and I do not approve of some moron telling me I'm not a good parent and how it is partially my fault because of how he was brought up . Who do you think you are .I'll answer that , you're nobody !I'll make this clear again ,If I caught somebody breaking into my house ,I will use whatever means to protect my family. I don't ever recall saying any different in any of my comments . I don't recall saying it is ok for people to break into your house and treat them with the utmost respect, so listen up , maybe you'll understand this. I personally expect people to protect their loved ones first and their belongings the best way they can , even if it means taking another persons life . All these boys were lucky no one was shot and killed . I am an avid hunter and have several guns , bows, etc. So a burglar would get a surprise if he enters my home . I hope I typed this so that even somebody like you can understand it .

Fyi Wedge 47, MY SON is the one sitting in jail for the 120 days, and I will be there for him when he gets out! Everyday I face someone that asked me if that was my son that was sent to Prison, and I have to say "Yes", and they can't believe that its him! Thats because they know the kind of person he really is. I am not making excuses for him but I am confident that he will not ever be stupid enough to do it again, and he will choose his friends wisely from here on out! And in your comment above you said you have 3 small children, and if they happen to do something wrong when they get older, I hope you look back and realize that no matter what everyones opinion is, he/she is still your son/daughter and that you will be there for them. Everyone is entitled to your own opinion, but when you meet someone at work, church or through other friends and think that you really know this person, will you change your feelings when you find out that he/she has a criminal record, or will you be the bigger person and be willing to give them a CHANCE??? I use to feel the same way every other negative person on here is, but now i have had to look at it differently.

SMOKEY2,
I guess, then, I don't understand why you're so upset with ME...and others who have commented in a similar way. We have ONLY said the same thing YOU said.....better not come into my house. Not sure where you invective is coming from.....
Lighten up, Francis....

Autysmom

All I'm saying, is that wait until someone breaks into your house, and steals your stuff, and violates your home. Then wait until that burglar gets arrested and sentenced to prison. Will you have sympathy for his poor parents then? I doubt it. You would be surprised how much your attitude changes when you become the victim of a senseless, invasive crime.

pops ,Personally I don't need people like you telling me how bad my kid is and how terrible of a parent I am .I haven't met anybody that is perfect in my life time and probably never will and for you to sit there and judge anybody without knowing them is crazy .Go look in the mirror, you are looking at a person that is'nt so perfect . Now should I judge you and condemn you ? Think about it moron !

Amen Akm!!!! Kudos to you, you did what was right. It doesn't hurt them to sit in jail for what they have done. It gives them time to really think about it. Not just overnight or a weekend but several weeks (at least) is what it takes to get through to them these days.

Honestly, it is much harder on the parents to leave them there than it is for the kids. You love them and support them but let them know that breaking the law won't be tolerated and they have to pay.

SMOKEY2 – I also let my son stay without bail when he was a “boy” and he is law-abiding man now because he not only knows I expect it of him, but he knows what the consequences would be. He got a second chance because we left him there to learn one of life’s toughest lessons. He did the crime, and he did the time. And for your information, WE LOVE OUR SON VERY MUCH!!!!!! and he knows it. So, you need to lose your “poor me” attitude and man-up. Just like we expect your son to do after he has done his time.

northend – very good suggestion. I wish the judge would use the school assembly idea as part of the sentencing for all of those involved.

grannytuff, I'm so proud of you because you love your son .Am I suppose to expect any less ! My point to all you negative people is simple . YOU ALL WORRY ABOUT YOUR PROBLEMS AND WE'LL DEAL WITH OURS. It's plain and simple . You people want to leave your kids in jail , that's your choice. I chose not to . I guess that makes me a bad parent, RIGHT !

Smokey your comments tell us what kind of parent you are! Go ahead, bail him out, what did he/she learn? Mom will bail me out. All I gotta do is pour on the tears and promises. My son is a taxpaying productive citizen and he has not broken the law since. Only time will tell for yours. Hope your right.

Hey, SMOKEY2....perhaps someone needs to come by and steal all your guns and bows.....and then bail out that individual, pay ZERO resitution....and THEN see how you feel.

You, my friend, have helped create the "poor me" attitude your son has demonstrated. "I'm sorry....sorry I got caught!!" You even attempted to diminish the crime by saying it wasn't a person's house....it was just a school!!!

How WONDERFUL for your son to have someone like you as his mother, to take his side....

I sincerely hope he has learned his lesson....and I hope he never gets in trouble again. I hope, with all my heart, he goes straight, and this is his one and only brush with the law. If it's NOT....and he breaks into someone's house or business, and gets shot or beaten half to death.....will you STILL be angry at those folks?? After all, you've indicated that's what YOU would do.

All of us negative people?? Would that be those of us who are sick and tired of having our homes broken into? Only to see the thieves get off easy?? These "kids" got a slap on the wrist, by the Courts and most importantly YOU!

YOU ALL WORRY ABOUT YOUR PROBLEMS AND WE'LL DEAL WITH OURS.

This speaks volumes....

Had You been worrying about your problems we would not be having this discussion.

This is every bit as much our problem as Yours,don't Victims have a say??

Bailing you son out was a bad choice on your part, period.

Why not apply that same $$ towards restitution??

akm, For your information, I bailed my son out the first time . He sat in jail for 3 weeks the second time before he was let out on a pr bond . He entered 2 homes and sat in the vehicle at central high . This is what he is charged with . He met these kids out on the Belt Highway .He eventually moved in with them and paid them rent. He had two jobs at the time ,why he ever got involved with these scumbags I'll never know . Just a bad choice. For all the morons that say I'm feeling sorry for myself ,whatever . He knows he has messed up and has made an effort 3 times to start paying restitution . They keep telling him they don't have an account set up yet. He now has 2 jobs and is waiting his fate in court .He's prepared to do whatever time he has to do to get it over with and go on with his life .So all you negative people out there ,go ahead and say what you want , you don't know him like I do . So keep on being judgemental .

mrwrench , U know what u can do with your comments . U and your comments are the least of my worries !

Smokey...do u read your posts...he entered two homes!!!! not one but two!!!were all these break-ins done in one day??? was he the look-out guy at Central? did he drive the get away vehicle? Your son made A LOT of BAD choices! sounds like a lot of planning on the scumbags and your sons part. I don't think you know him as well as you think.

Smokey2

"YOU ALL WORRY ABOUT YOUR PROBLEMS AND WE'LL DEAL WITH OURS."

When your son is breaking into my house... that IS my problem.

akm, I guess this makes your son a big scumbag to . Oh I forgot he has seen the light . No hes a big scumbag to .You morons are so judgemental . Believe me I know my son and who are you to talk about my son making bad choices . Remember you have a scumbag in your family .

SMOKEY2, by your own posts, you've indicated your son did NOT learn the first time....or the second....and not the third!! I have little or no faith that he's going to EVER learn his lesson, until the day he meets someone's 357 Magnum or baseball bat. I know, for a fact, he'll learn the lesson when he meets my 4 foot 2X4 across the side of his head.
Of course, I'm sure you understand what I've said, since you indicated that's EXACTLY how you'd react if someone breaks into YOUR home.

wedge47, You morons need to wake up .Are these kids the only burglars in St. joe .The burglars you people keep crying about are probably your neighbors ,friends , and relatives . YOU ALL ACT LIKE THESE ARE THE ONLY BURGLARS IN ST.JOE . You're all a bunch of judgemental freaks . Catch up on the news .There's been over 200 burglaries since the first of the year . I suppose they did all these burglaries .These kids don't have to answer to you or any of these NEGATIVE people ,they'll be dealt with by the courts ,so sit back and suck it up !

Better enjoy your computer, SMOKEY2....one of these "other" burglers may, in fact, be checking your place out as you speak!! If you stop posting, we'll all understand someone broke into your place and cleaned you out!!

Of COURSE we all know there are other thieves and burglers. No on....not ONE SINGLE PERSON...in this thread has suggested your son, or these others associated with him, are the only scumbags in town. We all KNOW there are plenty of scumbags in St. Joe. I'd have the same words for the OTHER scumbag's mothers were they to be attempting to be so defensive of THEIR sons!!

pops ,You're such a tough guy .NOT! For your information , all these kids were caught at the same time or at least most of them . 2 of them ran, probably knowing you had your widdle 2x4 after them .Oh boy here comes ole pops with his 2X4. Some confessed to burglarizing homes and churches since last summer, so some were involved in from 1 to several burglaries. Why am I explaining this to a moron! I'll try and send you a picture so you'll understand.

pops , Maybe I'LL get lucky and some of your relation will break into my house ,son,daughter,niece,grandson etc. I'll send them back to you with a widdle 2x4 between their eyes , tough guy .

Why can't YOU understand, SMOKEY2, that these guys haven't only done this once? Not even just twice!! More than likely not even just three times!! Until the investigation is complete, it's possible they've been at this for some time. In addition to that, I'd have had a LOT more respect for your son if he had felt that what he did was wrong, and would have turned himself in. What HAPPENED, instead, was they got caught. In YOUR son's case, he's been caught before!! Several times! Obviously, to anyone that has the ability to think, he's NOT learning his lesson!!

Do I care how you feel about me? Nope....don't give a rip! I don't even care if you make fun of me and my "widdle" 2x4, ball bat or Glock....

Here's an idea....after your son comes home, send him my way....I can guarantee he'll learn from me, or others LIKE me....

I can also guarantee that the lesson some of us would teach him will be MUCH more severe than anything he's had to deal with in jail.

With that, my dear, dillusional friend....I bid you adieu. I have come to the understanding that it's not really fiar to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.....so, since it's so PAINFULLY obvious how unarmed you really are....bye-bye!! :-)

pops ,This is my point exactly . YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT ANY OF THESE CASES. That's why what little brain you do have isn't thinking .Your mouth speaks before your brain thinks. I wish somebody like you would pull a gun or widdle 2x4 on me .Ilove dealing with people like you .PLEASE MAKE MY DAY TOUGH GUY!

Wow, the only way you can defend your child's actions is by calling the posters on this site "morons?"

I understand that you're upset that your child is in jail, but there's a point when you have to realize that your son had poor judgement, committed a crime, and now has to pay the consequences, both legally and from the community. I'm confused as to what comments were judgemental. FACTS ARE FACTS. (I can use all-caps to get my point across too.) The community is going to be mad about what your child did, regardless of if it was a "mistake" or not. Burglaries make people angry. I've had my home broken into. It's an invasion of privacy. You feel violated. You never feel safe again, no matter how many years it has been. I know your son's arrest/conviction has made an impact on your family, but think how the victims feel. I think the other posters on here are angry from a victim's standpoint, and perhaps you need to stop and think about that rather than calling them "morons" or thinking they are being judgemental. Even if it was a mistake and your son was in with the wrong crowd as you say, he committed a crime. People make mistakes -- you're exactly right. I'm sure your son will learn a valuable lesson from all of this.

Smoke is all about name calling and so pissed off because they can't believe their kid could do domething so STUPID. I know I've been there...20 yrs is a long time ago and I/my son knows what he did was stupid. It wasn't planned, it was a spur of the moment thing! Heck, they all had their own cars!! My son in laws parents house got broke into a few months...they stole all but one gun and a 32" flat screen ...so we've been keeping up with news. Fortunately, the THEIVES weren't smart enough to get the 52" off the wall. (they tried!) The THEIVES tried to break into a side door & then kicked in the front door. This was not a spur of the moment thing...but a planned break-in.

Pops, there's nothing wrong with being a TOUGH GUY. I'd take it as a compliment, especially with it being in all-caps -- that must make you extra tough. I must say though, do people ask why you have a 2x4 propped up on the wall next to your bed? A glock in your bedside table is much more discrete. ;)

meow,Maybe before u stick your 2 cents into something that is none of your business , go up above and see who started calling who moron first . DON'T let your mouth speak before your brain thinks!

My mouth didn't speak - my fingers typed. Thanks for the suggestion though!

This IS my business. I have been a victim of a burglary. Like I stated in my comment above, this is a community problem. We're not going to sweep this under the rug because it makes you mad that people are talking about this crime.

Just found out that another has been sentenced to 15 years today so I'm sure that makes all of you Oh so happy!!!

15 years to a first time offense...i thought these were all boys???

Pops, did you hear that? Once again, we're morons simply because we are speaking out.

Smokey, I'm not being judgemental. I'm just a realist. Crime is crime. I refuse to walk around through life in a make-believe world.

Yes, I am passionate about this topic. If you have had your belongings stolen, your neighbor's stolen beer spilled on your brand new couch, your house turned upside down, your family photo albums viewed, your panties rummaged through, your door left wide open for your pets to escape, then YES, you get pretty passionate. I'm sorry if my passion being perceived as judgement to you.

And if by protecting ourselves we're forming a "tough guy crime unit," great! I adore your creativity. You better just thank the good Lord that your son is safe in his jail cell instead of dead. Missouri Law protects homeowners (Castle Doctrine) - we are allowed to protect ourselves and our belongings and if that makes me a mobster by protecting the people and belongings that I find dear, so be it!

I have a life, Smokey, and I intend to protect it. Thanks for the reminder... it reminds me that I need to load my other clip.

15 years for "first offense"? "Boys"? Doesn't add up. Please somebody let us know "The rest of the story"...........

AND, IF that is the true court sentence (really?), I will bet he probably got a SIS. Smokey2 for you, that means "Suspended Imposition of Sentence". And if that’s the case, my money says he’ll eventually be locked up for a long stretch. It’s just a matter of time for some of them. You do not get 15 yrs for a "first offense" without using deadly force.

Hey pops, can I be in your unit? Pleeeeeease??????

Smokey, if you cannot make an intelligent comment, please stay off of this forum. Making fun of others is not contributing to the conversation. Your son is out of jail, so log off and go be a parent.

meow, Is that your big mouth speaking again before your brain thinks . Mind your own business!

This is coming from the boys mother that is serving the 120 days!!!! Today another was sentenced to 5 years each on 3 counts! And yes this was his 1st offense!

Autysmom – if the sentence that you heard is indeed a true fact, then I BELIEVE this defendant is a habitual criminal and in that case, you are correct. I am OH SO HAPPY with the sentence. The longer they keep repeat offenders behind bars the better I like it. No matter who they are.

One mistake can be forgiven, continual abuse of the law is inexcusable. Time will tell for all of them. Good luck to you and your son.

Autysmom - the sentence was for three diferent counts? You didn't say that before. Are they to be served consecutively or concurrently? Probation? Suspended Sentence? Do you know? This information makes a difference, in my opinion.

Big mouth? It hasn't opened once, but I have been typing. Did you mean big hands? (They're quite petite, thank you!)

The day your son became a CRIMINAL is the day when this became a public issue, not to mention he broke into a public school! People are going to talk about it, so you might as well stop being so sensitive.

Smokey2 - there is no need to be mean or rude. I just assumed that if this was your childs first time of being arrested you might not know the sentencing jargon to know what I was talking about.

Have a nice day!

Autysmom, I'm glad you are handling this well. Thank you for keeping us up to date on the case.

It is true, he was one of the guys that started all the trouble! He had 3 charges, so he received 5 years on each charge!

Well then, there you have it. A 'leader'. I am thrilled about the sentence once again!

Meow....Its going to end up in the paper tomorrow just like every other sentencing! Its not easy for me to see these boys be sentenced like this because i know that down deep most of these boys are really nice boys. I know, what everyone is thinking that they are thieves, but that doesn't mean that i can forget the many times that they stood out in the middle of my driveway having INNOCENT fun. I will choose to remember them like that because after they are released they won't be involved with my son! The day is getting closer on his release and that is my main concern!

autysmom, This is one of the kids that fled to another state along with his stepbrother whom will be sentenced DEC. 10th .

you know...crime is crime...so if we took ever single person who EVER committed a crime, and took them out of this town, and shipped them off to a dessert island we wouldn't have many people left to run this town. Then what would everyone do?

Instead of being critical of each of these boys, why don't you pray for them. Pray that they will be changed by this punishment, and that they will want to become what you want them to be - law abiding citizens. Pray for their families too, because these are still their children, and always will be. What they have done has hurt their families too. Remember that prayer does work!

All of this fighting on line does not accomplish anything. It doesn't correct what happened. It doesn't turn back the hands of time. Everyone needs to move on...and concentrate on their own lives. Hope everyone has a great weekend!

craftymom, AMEN ,That's the smartest thing I have heard all day !

Ok, don't want to get the ball rolling again but I must say this. I work with Autysmom. We have known each other for about 7 years. I know the family very well. She is a mother that tries very hard to keep her family together and in tact. Her son, he is a good kid. Sometimes good kids get swayed and do bad things. I truely believe in my heart that was what happened to him. I understand all of you who are angry and you have a right to be. But I think all Autysmom is trying to say, is that her son is sorry. He will come out and do better. And for God's sake, he deserves a second chance. I have seen her go through pure torture through all of this. She is a good woman and she truely loves her children. And I would think less of her if she did not stand by his side.

for all of you who think all the guys involed should go away for a long time and dont care to give them a second chance MOST of them are truley sorry and do regret what they did and a couple are just sorry they got caught but for autysmom her son regrets what he did just like some of the others you dont know them so dont judge them they are takeing responsibilty for there actions and are going to do their time without complaining about it there not making excusses cause they know what they did was there choice and only theres. and by the way i am one of them kids who made a dumb choice and i am sorry also i will do the time i am givin also i am trying to move on

*Smokey 2, I almost knew what he was going to get sentenced but I had hoped that maybe the judge would of went a little easier on him and laid it all the main trouble maker! I have a feeling that he will get even more on Dec 10 though! I have a thought of who your son is only from reading the comments above and I had only met him a couple times during the fights.
*Raggedy74, thank you for your support through all of this and its good to know that someone understands our
situation!

me1987 :)

Autysmom, My boy and your (if your son is who I think he is) traded cars not to long ago

Autysmom, By the way , this is his dad, everybody seemed to think it was his mom typing all this stuff. I just got fed up with all their negativity .

Smokey 2---Thanks for clearing that up and yes we all did think that it was her! I just looked at the story on T and well i am really curious how many comments there is going to be since it actually tells how the police received their information! And everyone says "Our wonderful system"??? My son said that the police tried to harrass him into a statement but he sat in jail for 6 days until i bailed him out. I hope all goes as well as expected for your son, and most likely mine will be home before yours hears his outcome (47 days left)!

Autysmom ,The other leader ,Kline had a charge of passing bad checks in the paper 2 weeks after he was aiready in prison . Wonder if he'll do more time for that charge .That's 2 leaders down and 1 still to go . He probably will get more time than either of the other 2 leaders. That's who my boy got mixed up with is mccoy and manassero.He moved in with them and paid them rent to stay there. At that time he had 2 jobs. He lost all that when he got arrested. When he got arrested and I bailed him out all I could say to him is WHAT IN THE HELL WAS YOU THINKING! He only lived there for 2 1/2 weeks when all this went down. He now is working 2 jobs again and has tried to pay restitution 3 different times and they tell him they don't have an account set up yet.He's trying.The 3 weeks he sat in jail made him do alot of thinking .Hopefully he'll have a 1/2 way descent chance in court , only time will tell .All these negative peoples comments , I really don't care what they think. We'll take care of our own problems. I hope the best for your son.They will turn their lives around and be alot better people. They just need to be alot more careful about who they choose for friends .You've heard the old phrase ,YOUNG AND DUMB . This will definitely be an eye opener for most of them . Some I have no faith in.You can probably figure out who they are .

When someone breaks into a School they are stealing from ALL of us TAX Payers,,,, Thousands of people were affected by ONE School Burglary. The Love they need NOW is TOUGH LOVE !

How right you are safd!! Most people placed on probation and paroles first violation and eventual return to prison comes from not being able to find a job And the law knows this, each one of these young men will all be returned to prison a least 3 times before their sentance is over. and still have the felony on their record ,,these are facts from studys taken by law enforcement officials.Probation and Parole is bacically a set up for failure . It also generates alot of money for the state,, Intervention fees ,drug and alcohal programs ect,,,, It also help lawyers get rich who love representing probation violaters because they know what the outcome will be ,it just like handing them money,,,people say "oh they just got probation' well i'll have them know its not easy ,and alot of probationary's go back on purpose because the time spent in jail is easier than walking the probation ,,SO AUTYSMOM WEATHER YOUR SON is a good boy or not it will not be easy for him on probation, sorry to say and I wish him well BUT YOU WILL SEE WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT IN THE NEAR FUTURE,,

Okay I will agree that there are no GUARANTEES that some of the boys may spend additional time in jail, I can only hope & pray that the time that my son has spent in jail will make him realize that its not a place he wants to go back to! As for having to look for work and abide by the rules when he gets out, yeah its going to be tough but he will have support from family & friends to help him get through that! What's even worse is that when he does get out and if you would happen to meet up with my son, whether it be through employment, church or just through a common acquaintance, I do know that at that time you would agree with everything that i have said, because to know him, you would then know that he was just plain stupid when he made the mistake that is going to rule the next 5 years of his life, and that he is a really GOOD kid, that just screwed up! Bottom line..........ONLY TIME WILL TELL!

***safd, I guess us parents & supporters aren't the only one that doesn't want to read your garbage since once again your comment was REMOVED! LMAO

autyamom, the reason wrote what I did is because I also have a son everybody likes and knows just screwed up and did 6 months in boonville only to get out and go on the run because he couldnt find a job ..hes been in boonville for 2 years this time and dosent get out until april. and will still be on parole . along road to toll for a 22yr old,when you were prosecuted for forging a 300 dollar check that his girlfriend stole from her dad and didnt get in trouble for it even though she was on camera with him when he cashed the check she stole.

hahah look at these people on here talking about killing someone...Thats murder sweethearts (thats prison time :)) sorry but i am positively sure my brother or any of the other boys would never have that thought come across their minds. These boys would never physically hurt someone... In any of these stories does it say they carried weapons on them...NOOOOO. Yes these boys made a mistake but is prison really the best answer to straighten these boys up?? Hell No. My family is tore up from this, yes my brother made a mistake, but I know he will never do it again. My brother was finally on the right track before they threw him in prison. He had a steady job, he was selected from 27 people to stay on full time... These boys are not bad people at all seriously.. people deserve second chances and I know my brother will never do it again..

Qtbabidoll07,
Your faith in your brother is admirable. I sincerely hope you're right...and he never gets into trouble again. Personally, I agree with you....they don't need to be in prison. What I think would be a better punishment is to make them make restitution....perhaps not just 100%, but maybe double. Perhaps they should have to not only make full restitution for all they took and all they damaged, but be sentenced to several hundred hours of community service. I definitely feel they owe those they stole from, and who's property was damaged, full restitution. THAT should be the punishment....prison is pointless, at least for first offenders. Maybe after they've done it a second time, a still prison sentence.
I have said, and will continue to say....one of these days, if these burglers in our town break into the wrong house or business, they're not going to be headed to prison....they'll be headed to the morgue. Hope your brother isn't one of them....

***safd, I guess us parents & supporters aren't the only one that doesn't want to read your garbage since once again your comment was REMOVED! LMAO.....
Thats funny because all my last comment said was good luck to all of these criminals because with a felony record it will be difficult for them to find a job, especially since it involves stealing.
I love society these days, because parents like you like to defend you kids and make excuses for them, and refer to them as Angels.....
I like to call it JOB SECURITY